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Author Topic: One way crewed mission?


cronoik
Administrator
Posts: 45
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: October 2, 2013, 20:58

Quote from most on October 2, 2013, 12:39
but lets be objective - now humanity can't do this.

Hi, this is the reason why we are here.To be objective. OE do not offer flight tickets to europa 😎 but we

are looking into answering one question: is a crewed mission to Jovian moon Europa possible?
Quote from http://www.objective-europa.com/



most
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 10
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: October 4, 2013, 10:13

For success first of all it is need 3 things: oxygen for breez, food and radiation protection. Oxygen. In theory we can distruct European water and ice for this. Radiation shield...may be I haven't some knoledge, but now we havn't it. Ok, we can invent. But what we will do whis food? Obvious, that we can't take some goods from Earth. It is necessary to find way to produse food there, on Europa's surface...our genetic science havn't answer on this question. I think, it is first, what about we need to think.l



EUvisionar-
y
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 23
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: October 21, 2013, 15:27

The estimated journey time with modern technology is 6 months?? Then how is it that Mars One talks about sending astronauts there in a period of 7 months?



tomp
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 1
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: October 29, 2013, 11:42

The argumentation about one way and sending out people /astronauts not to die is strange. I mean even here on earth people are dying - every day!
Doing very uninteresting stuff like watching TV, sitting in a garden or even lying in bed sleeping.

Some are more "lucky" and help cleaning up nuclear plant accidents and die from radiation...

So please do not argument that no one should send people to a far away place to die for - its being done now, here on earth - every day on a regular basis without any remorse or even a bad feeling.

And even without being on a mission or dangerous job people do die - just of old age, injuries or infections. Its natural for people to die and I think its even human to risk your life. As a species it makes sense that some try dangerous stuff, because they just may find something important for the whole species.

And finally for a species it makes sense to spread out as far and wide as possible to reduce the probability of dying out (seen from a "species" point of view) due to a local catastrophe.



Bryan
Europa Astronaut
Posts: 98
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: November 2, 2013, 05:23

It is natural for people to die, and to risk their lives. It is also natural for people doing those things expecting something in return.

However, it's not ethical to send people to die when there is an option to bring them back, nor when there are other ways to achieve the goal.

A good illustration is the practice of clinical trials. Healthy people risk their lives taking unknown drugs and sometimes die. But the risks are mitigated as much as possible and they are financially compensated.

Here's a thought experiment those of you who think suicide in the name of science is honorable and claim you would volunteer. We don't know exactly what happens when people starve to death. The knowledge could be useful in nutrition and end of life care. Would you be willing to allow scientists to starve you to death to advance your field? If so, I'm sure there are people on this planet right now who would take you up on the offer.

The answer is no, you wouldn't do it. We can throw out hypotheticals, but if I put a phone number and a name of a researcher and said to call them to arrange your scientific suicide, you would not call.
We would also, as a group, be very upset with someone that encouraged that, plan and be concerned for someone who is interested in being a terminal subject.

Risking your life is fine, but those risks must be balanced with proper rewards.



William-
Archer
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 3
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: December 13, 2013, 20:12

Perhaps we can compromise. I believe it is a good idea to prepare for a one way mission because its important for us to have permanent settlements in our solar system not just ones that are inhabited for two years at a time. Thats why for at least the first 10- 20 years the first crew should say however if in this time it becomes feasible to send them home and we have a replacement crew ready then I don't see any reason why we should not bring them back.



Bryan
Europa Astronaut
Posts: 98
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: March 12, 2014, 23:15

Permanent settlements are a good thing to have, but perhaps not with our first mission. It is a challenge to have a permanent base in Antarctica, and that is orders of magnitude more hospitable than Europa. We have eons before leaving Earth permanently becomes a necessity. Let's not rush and make unwise decisions.



Ali
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 22
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: April 2, 2014, 09:49

Quote from Bryan on November 2, 2013, 05:23
It is natural for people to die, and to risk their lives. It is also natural for people doing those things expecting something in return.

However, it's not ethical to send people to die when there is an option to bring them back, nor when there are other ways to achieve the goal.

A good illustration is the practice of clinical trials. Healthy people risk their lives taking unknown drugs and sometimes die. But the risks are mitigated as much as possible and they are financially compensated.

Here's a thought experiment those of you who think suicide in the name of science is honorable and claim you would volunteer. We don't know exactly what happens when people starve to death. The knowledge could be useful in nutrition and end of life care. Would you be willing to allow scientists to starve you to death to advance your field? If so, I'm sure there are people on this planet right now who would take you up on the offer.

The answer is no, you wouldn't do it. We can throw out hypotheticals, but if I put a phone number and a name of a researcher and said to call them to arrange your scientific suicide, you would not call.
We would also, as a group, be very upset with someone that encouraged that, plan and be concerned for someone who is interested in being a terminal subject.

Risking your life is fine, but those risks must be balanced with proper rewards.

Hey no one is going Europa to die, neither to return, I am going Europa to permanently settle there. So all the arrangements should be accordingly. we are not going there for just exploration. Life Risk is there, But rewards are even higher.



Bryan
Europa Astronaut
Posts: 98
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: April 2, 2014, 18:08

I just don't see how it is easier or smarter to send enough equipment and technology to create a permanent settlement than to send a smaller crew, pack it with as much scientific equipment as possible, and return with a ton of information and experience to then create a well planned and robust settlement.



Ali
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 22
Re: One way crewed mission?
on: April 3, 2014, 07:33

The Risk, Expenses and Time is not much different for both of scenarios. A safe return may not be possible due to many factors, even settlement there might be easier than a return. So Why not Permanent Settlement ??

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