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Author Topic: Material reward


Bryan
Europa Astronaut
Posts: 98
Material reward
on: September 20, 2013, 21:34

While several humans went on risky missions in order to explore, I would argue almost all did so expecting some material reward. The ones that went one-way (colonization of the new world, for example) were seeking out a land that would reward their labor, and eventually ease their life from what they had. Other explorers (Polar explorers) expected to come back to reap fame. Even military warriors fight out of either fear (they would die otherwise), patriotism (protecting their families) or religious duty (gaining eternal paradise).

What are we offering the Europan explorers besides a place in history? (Remembering Achilles was a myth.)



vonB
Administrator
Posts: 26
Re: Material reward
on: September 20, 2013, 22:01

Very interesting point.

The western world mostly see reward as material or fame while being alive.

Other cultures sees this differently. Sacrifice is often done for a higher purpose (Im not religious) or for the future or family and country. This has also been true in the western world when going to war sacrificing your life for the generations to come.

Personally I believe that anyone going on this adventure will know the consequences and understand that the reward is not a medal given by the president or a big house - but much larger than all that combined. Just thoughts..



Bryan
Europa Astronaut
Posts: 98
Re: Material reward
on: September 20, 2013, 22:26

People willingly sacrifice themselves, but not usually for science alone. Even Galileo recanted his beliefs when enough pressure was applied. The only example that comes to mind of a person willing dying for pure knowledge was Socrates.

I'm sure we don't want to evoke feelings of patriotism or religion or war. The last thing I want to see is people rushing to Europa to claim it for America or China or Islam or anything else.



Pascal
Administrator
Posts: 12
Re: Material reward
on: September 24, 2013, 18:48

I believe that this mission could reward participants with the hopes of creating a new world. If we were able to use materials available on Europa to expand the initial colony, I believe that sacrifice would not mean human life. I believe that the sacrifice would be trading a Terran, civilized life for that of an exploratory and new life on Europa. This mission may be seen as a one-way suicide mission, but it should instead be seen as colonization of a new world. We should do what we can to make it such. Besides, if we can make it sustainable, why wouldn't we?



Bryan
Europa Astronaut
Posts: 98
Re: Material reward
on: October 11, 2013, 21:51

What reason would people have to move to a new colony?

I think we could provide incentives. Freedom. Monetary security for family back at home. While we have the example of explorers, they all wanted to eventually come home. I think colonists and explorers are motivated by different incentives, and we need to understand those before trying to pick a crew.



lemac
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 2
Re: Material reward
on: October 27, 2013, 05:15

At this point in space travel, I believe we have enough people on the planet that finding people to visit or even colonize Europa shouldn't be an issue! Heck, how many of us would be willing to do it? I'm assuming a fair number.

The next point is completely anecdotal so you can take it with a grain of salt if you'd like, but I think a lot of folks are (A) frustrated with the political/economic situations on Earth and (B) would like to be something bigger than themselves. Throughout history part B meant religion, family, or country as stated previously in this thread. Space exploration and the propagation of the human species beyond Earth is a goal that should be easily seen as worthy by the majority of the people living on this planet. Even if it weren't and as mentioned before, I think there are enough people just out there in the general population that would be interested in taking up a mission like this. Just look at all the responses the Mars One project received.

In short, we might not be offering anything but a place in history, however this should suffice. Although I'm frequently a pessimist when it comes to analyzing human motivations, I think this goal doesn't require courting humanity's lesser qualities. I'm happy to say our resources can be focused in on building a good spacecraft instead of attracting "the right people" for the job.



Timothy709
Europa Dreamer
Posts: 6
Re: Material reward
on: December 11, 2013, 19:02

Even without a planet killer, the Goldie Locks conditions here on Earth will not continue ad infinitum. We know that in order for humanity to continue, we must leave Earth. Why wait?



Bryan
Europa Astronaut
Posts: 98
Re: Material reward
on: March 12, 2014, 20:03

lemac: Are the people who are frustrated with Earth politics going to continue to take orders from an Earth bound command crew? Second, just because we think people "should" see space exploration as worthy does not mean they will when weighed against religion/family/country. Do you have any evidence that people would make such a sacrifice?

Timothy709: Why rush? Why not wait until the technology is sufficient to support a full colony with bidirectional trade and transport. We're talking decades for a rushed, potentially doomed mission versus a hundred years or more for a much more well supported mission. The world isn't likely to end by that time.

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